Charles Waite (General)

by unknown, Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 00:33 (1132 days ago)

I have been doing the tree for our branch of the Waite family of Lydney My great great grandparents had a son called Charles Waite for whom I have only a baptism in 1864 at i yr 9 mthsThe g.g grandparents were Joseph & Emma & we are descended from their son John Waite. Does anyone know about Charles Waite?

Charles Waite

by Jefff @, Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 01:29 (1132 days ago) @ unknown

Hi and welcome,

Just to clarify what you know, from this site's PRs;

Record ID 39286
Entry Number 520
Year 1860
Month Aug
Day 19
Parents Surname WAITE
Child Forenames John
Fathers Forenames Joseph
Mothers Forenames Emma
Mothers Surname
Residence Primrose Hill
Occupation Tinman
Officiating Minister B.Philpot Vicar
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference PFC209 IN 1/5
Page Number 65
Parish Chapel Lydney

Record_ID: 39579
Entry_Number: 813
Year: 1864
Month: Mar
Day: 7
Parents_Surname: WAITE
Child_Forenames: Charles
Fathers_Forenames: Joseph
Mothers_Forenames: Emma
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Lydney
Occupation: Tinman
Officiating_Minister: S.C.Phillips Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: P[rivately] B[aptised] 1 yr - 9 mo old
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC209 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 102
Parish_Chapel: Lydney
Soundex: W300

So Charles born abt June 1862.

Using the Advanced Search (apologies if you've seen it, link on PR search page) you can search in many ways with minimal information.
Eg searching the Baptisms for all those having parents Joseph & Emma, enter their forenames and surname just "W" (to allow for spelling variations such as Whaite, Wait, Wyatt, etc..), will also give Charles' siblings:

Record ID 38816
Entry Number 50
Year 1855
Month Feb
Day 25
Parents Surname WAITE
Child Forenames Sarah Maria
Fathers Forenames Joseph
Mothers Forenames Emma
Mothers Surname
Residence Lower Mill
Occupation Labourer
Officiating Minister Charles Taylor
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference PFC209 IN 1/5
Page Number 7
Parish Chapel Lydney


And quite probably,

Record ID 38983
Entry Number 217
Year 1857
Month Feb
Day 8
Parents Surname WHITE
Child Forenames Mary Jane
Fathers Forenames Joseph
Mothers Forenames Emma
Mothers Surname
Residence Newherne
Occupation Tin Washer
Officiating Minister Charles Taylor
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference PFC209 IN 1/5
Page Number 28
Parish Chapel Lydney

Due to the high likelihood of spelling variations for this surname, when searching this site's PRs tick the "Soundex" box, to hopefully find all variations of spelling. By this you can see, for example, a long Wait/Waite/Wayte/White line in Awre,Alvington,Blakeney,Newnham etc (all near Lydney) going back to to the C17th.

Alternatively, use the "%" wildcard character, eg enter "Wa%" as the surname gives results for all surnames starting "Wa".

Unfortunately as yet I cannot find Marriages for Joseph/Emma or Charles, assuming they were in the Forest area, but have found:

Record_ID: 34415
Entry_Number: 50
Year: 1874
Month: Sep
Day: 12
Grooms_Surname: FARDS
Grooms_Forenames: William
Grooms_Age: 21
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Breaksman
Grooms_Residence: Lydney
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: [not stated]
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Surname: WAITE
Brides_Forenames: Sarah
Brides_Age: 19
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Lydney
Brides_Fathers_Surname: WAITE
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Joseph
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Tinman
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: He signs sHe marks
Witness_1: Thomas Ashfield
Witness_2: Mary Blyzard
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: John J Trollope
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P209 IN 1/16
Page_Number: 25
Parish_Chapel: Lydney
Soundex_Groom: F632
Soundex_Bride: W300


Record_ID: 34473
Entry_Number: 109
Year: 1879
Month: Jun
Day: 21
Grooms_Surname: WAITE
Grooms_Forenames: John
Grooms_Age: 19
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Washman
Grooms_Residence: Lower mills
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: WAITE
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Joseph
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Brides_Surname: WALKER
Brides_Forenames: Priscilla
Brides_Age: 19
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Lydney
Brides_Fathers_Surname: WALKER
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: George
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: William Ford
Witness_2: Mark of Emma Waite
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: S G Edwards
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P209 IN 1/16
Page_Number: 55
Parish_Chapel: Lydney
Soundex_Groom: W300
Soundex_Bride: W426

Cannot find a Marriage for Mary Jane, but have this Burial which fits;
Record_ID: 3393
Entry_Number: 435
Year: 1932
Month: Oct
Day: 18
Surname: WAITE
Forenames: Mary Jane
Residence: Bradley Hill
Age_at_death: 73
Officiating_Minister: Edward G Courtman
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P50 IN 1/19
Page_No: 55
Parish_Chapel: Blakeney
Soundex: W300


Searching the Burial Records for Charles gives this as a possible "best fit" (wrt location & particularly age) that I can see, although perhaps odd wrt mispelt name ?:

Record_ID: 242500
Entry_Number: 253
Year: 1921
Month: Feb
Day: 17
Surname: WHITE
Forenames: Charles
Residence: Moor Street Chepstow
Age_at_death: 64 years
Officiating_Minister: Rev[eren]d D Hughes
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: [1]Labourer [2]M[ale] [3][place of burial] Plot H [number of grave space] 72 [4][Consecrated ground] Yes
Notes:
Register_Reference: E
Page_No: 13
Parish_Chapel: Chepstow Municipal Cemetery
Soundex: W300


Similarly for John:
Record_ID: 3317
Entry_Number: 359
Year: 1925
Month: Jun
Day: 29
Surname: WAITE
Forenames: John
Residence: Bradley Hill
Age_at_death: 63
Officiating_Minister: Reginald Allen
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P50 IN 1/19
Page_No: 45
Parish_Chapel: Blakeney
Soundex: W300

This date suggests the previous "guess" for Charles is wrong, surely if Charles was buried locally then John would have ensured his name spelt correctly ?

Charles Waite b1860s, Lydney area.

by Jefff @, Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 02:54 (1132 days ago) @ Jefff

Searching again for Charles now using GlosBMD site which only carries five PRs for Charles Wait/Waite within Dean, including this interesting Baptism ?:
http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/SimpleSearch.aspx

Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
WAIT Charles WAIT WAIT FISHER 1862 Forest of Dean Chepstow, Lydney 9 487

Maybe wrong but worth searching if mother Emma was a Fisher...(SEE BELOW)


Same site gives these possible Marriages, although no ages given so...??

Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
WAIT Charles MARTIN Emily Forest of Dean Alvington St Andrew 1884 1 82

and then:

Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
WAITE Charles VIRGO Eliza Forest of Dean Westbury-on-Severn (FoD) Register Office 1898 11 138

So correct locations in both cases ?

Searching for first possible wife Emily Martin in this site's Baptisms gives several in the Lydney area, the only Alvington (as per Marriage) one being a fair possibilty:

Record_ID: 2198
Entry_Number: 127
Year: 1865
Month: Oct
Day: 8
Parents_Surname: MARTIN
Child_Forenames: Emily
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Alvington
Occupation: Shoemaker
Officiating_Minister: Edward Salter Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: dau[ghte]r of
Notes:
Register_Reference: P12 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 16
Parish_Chapel: Alvington
Soundex: M635

I cannot find a likely burial pre 1898.
But this which I declined earlier is her Marriage from this FoD site, on second looks it could well be our Charles !?:

Record_ID: 647
Entry_Number: 82
Year: 1884
Month: Oct
Day: 18
Grooms_Surname: WAIT
Grooms_Forenames: Charles
Grooms_Age: 20
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Fireman
Grooms_Residence: Lydney
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: WAIT
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Joel
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Brides_Surname: MARTIN
Brides_Forenames: Emily
Brides_Age: 19
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Alvington
Brides_Fathers_Surname: MARTIN
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: William
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Plate layer
Licence_or_Banns: [not stated]
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Charles Woodcock
Witness_2: Mary Stinchcombe
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: J.W. Pengelly Curate in Charge
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P12 IN 1/11
Page_Number: 41
Parish_Chapel: Alvington
Soundex_Groom: W300
Soundex_Bride: M635

("fireman" here probably is a steam engine stoker, tinworks boilerhouse perhaps ?. Or a railway loco fireman; platelayer is a railway trade (or possibly timplate ?).

IF Charles did remarry, there are several possible Baptisms on this site's database for Eliza Virgo in this Severnside area.


Re parents Joseph & Emma Waite, search this FoD site for Emma FISHER, gives:

Record_ID: 20176
Entry_Number: 167
Year: 1851
Month: Jul
Day: 26
Grooms_Surname: WAITE
Grooms_Forenames: Joel
Grooms_Age: Of full age
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Tin worker
Grooms_Residence: Lidney
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: WAITE
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Shoe maker
Brides_Surname: FISHER
Brides_Forenames: Emma
Brides_Age: 18
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: not stated
Brides_Residence: Upper forge
Brides_Fathers_Surname: FISHER
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: William
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Finer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: The mark of Henry Waite
Witness_2: The mark of Caroline Fisher
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Charles Taylor
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes: Forename of bride confirmed from Marriage Register volume 26 page 65
Register_Reference: P209 IN 1/15
Page_Number: 84
Parish_Chapel: Lydney
Soundex_Groom: W300
Soundex_Bride: F260

If correct explains use of Joel and not Joseph on earlier Charles Mariage Record, all else fits very well. Re witnesses Caroline Fisher could be Emma's mother or sister ?. Henry Waite ? in my searches I've seen Baptisms for Charles Henry Waite which could be relevant, see below...

Her Baptism:

Record_ID: 406852
Entry_Number:
Year: 1834
Month: Feb
Day: 2
Parents_Surname: FISHER
Child_Forenames: Emma
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Forge
Occupation: finer
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Monmouth
Soundex: F260

Joseph / Joel Waite b1830s, Lydney area.

by Jefff @, Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 03:36 (1132 days ago) @ Jefff

Searching for Joel/Joseph:

Record_ID: 37298
Entry_Number: 932
Year: 1831
Month: May
Day: 27
Parents_Surname: WAIT
Child_Forenames: Joel
Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Mothers_Forenames: Maria
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Newarn [Newerne] - Parish of Lydney
Occupation: Shoemaker
Officiating_Minister: H.C.H.Hawkins Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Son of
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC 209 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 117
Parish_Chapel: Lydney
Soundex: W300


This seems entirely reasonable in several ways, not least their mothers' names Sarah & Maria being used for their firstborn child. HOWEVER I'm a little "nervous" regarding change of name between Joseph & Joel, especially as there are a fair few possible Josephs in this area too !....?

Also found Charles' nephew:

Record_ID: 41290
Entry_Number: 122
Year: 1882
Month: Jan
Day: 29
Parents_Surname: WAITE
Child_Forenames: Joel
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Priscilla
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Tutshill
Occupation: Washman
Officiating_Minister: John J.Trollope Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC 209 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 16
Parish_Chapel: Lydney
Soundex: W300


As mentioned earlier re witness Henry Waite, I also noticed this later Baptism:

Record_ID: 183128
Entry_Number:
Year: 1884
Month: Apr
Day: 6
Parents_Surname: WAITE
Child_Forenames: Charles henry
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Chapel Hill
Occupation: Bootmaker
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Chapel Hill Monmouth
Soundex: W300

Is this a relation, seems possible to me ?.

Searching the 1851 Glos Census cd gives the following household:

2443 1851 CENSUS HO107/2443 FF.0572-0592 ED.3C LYDNEY 3
Piece: 2443 Folio: 0586 Schedule: 087
Address: Lydney

WAITE Maria HD W 42 Shoe Binder GLS Horsley (c1809)
WAITE Joel SO U 21 Tin Plate Washman GLS Pilawell [Pillowell] (c1830)
WAITE Henry SO U 19 Forgeman GLS Lydney (c1832)

So by now father Thomas has presumably passedaway leaving mother Maria as Head of household, witness Henry was indeed Joel's brother and presumably witness in the absence of father ?.

Also on the 1851 Census in same general (Blakeney) area are:

1959 1851 CENSUS HO107/1959 FF.0307-0329 ED.3B? 5D? NEWNHAM 1
Piece: 1959 Folio: 0311 Schedule: 004
Address: Bradley Hill

WAIT Samuel HD M 62 Rail Lab GLS Newnham (c1789)
WAIT Elizabeth WI M 49 - GLS Newnham (c1802)
WAIT Samuel SO U 20 Iron Miner GLS East Dean (c1831)
WAIT Adelaide DA U 12 - GLS East Dean (c1839)
WAIT Sarah DA GLS East Dean (c1837)
WAIT Joseph SO U 3 - GLS East Dean (c1848)

And probably not relevant so ?:

Also in same area:
1959 1851 CENSUS HO107/1959 FF.0262-0293 ED.4E NEWNHAM 1
Piece: 1959 Folio: 0271 Schedule: 032
Address: Raspadge

WAIT Joseph HD M 28 Coal Miner GLS Newnham (c1823)
WAIT Charlotte WI M 30 - GLS Westbury (c1821)
YOUNG Thomas LG U 16 Iron Miner [Deleted] GLS Flaxley (c1835)

Not sure how much they help?

I hope this is all of interest ?. Sadly I don't have access to the subsequent Census' which will hopefully backup these suggestions wrt marriages etc etc.
Over to the other forum members who I'm sure will help, please ....

Good luck, Jeff.

Joseph / Joel Waite b1830s, Lydney area.

by Roger Griffiths @, Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 11:29 (1132 days ago) @ Jefff

I took interest in this Thread because Wait(e) is one of my wider family surnames.

Most of this is unfamiliar to me. Except for 1851 Census Piece: 1959 Folio 0311 Sched: 004

Bradley Hill

Samuel and Elizabeth Wait and family are mine, and not known to be connected to the matters contained in this Thread.

Charles H WAITE 1862 -1928 Lydney - > Barry Wales

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 08:02 (1132 days ago) @ unknown

1841
Maria Wart abt 1811 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire
John Wart abt 1828 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire
Joseph Wart abt 1830 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire
Henry Wart abt 1832 Gloucestershire, England Lydney, Gloucestershire

1851
Maria Waite abt 1809 Horsley, Gloucestershire, England Head Lydney, Gloucestershire
Joel Waite abt 1830 Pilawell, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Gloucestershire
Henry Waite abt 1832 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Gloucestershire

Name: Joel Waite
Name: Emma Fisher
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1851
Registration district: Chepstow
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume Number: 26
Page Number: 65


1861
Joseh Wait abt 1831 Lydney Head Lydney, Gloucestershire
Emma Wait abt 1834 Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Lydney, Gloucestershire
Sarah Wait abt 1855 Lydney Daughter Lydney, Gloucestershire
John I Wait abt 1859 Lydney Son Lydney, Gloucestershire

Name: Charles Wait
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1862
Registration district: Chepstow
Inferred County: Gloucestershire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 13

1871
Joseph Wait 40
Emma Wait 38
Sarah Wait 16
John Wait 12
Charles Wait 8
Joseph Wait 6


1881 Albert St Lydney
Joel Wait abt 1830 Yorkshireley, Gloucestershire, England Head Lydney, Gloucestershire
Emma Wait abt 1834 Treforest, Glamorgan, Wales Wife Lydney, Gloucestershire
Charles Wait abt 1863 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Gloucestershire


Name: Charles Wait
Name: Emily Martin
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1884
Registration district: Chepstow
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 1

1891
Chas Hy Wait abt 1864 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Head Cadoxton Juxta Barry, Glamorgan
Emily Wait abt 1866 Alvington, Gloucestershire, England Wife Cadoxton Juxta Barry, Glamorgan
Mabel A Wait abt 1886 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Cadoxton Juxta Barry, Glamorgan
Florence H Wait abt 1888 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Cadoxton Juxta Barry, Glamorgan
Edith M Wait abt 1890 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Cadoxton Juxta Barry, Glamorgan
Samuel Phillips abt 1864 Broadmain, Dorset, England Boarder Cadoxton Juxta Barry, Glamorgan
Frank Maybey abt 1871 Haselbury, Somerset, England Boarder Cadoxton Juxta Barry, Glamorgan


1901
Charles Waite abt 1864 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Head Barry, Glamorgan
Emily Waite abt 1866 Alvington, Gloucestershire, England Wife Barry, Glamorgan
Florence Waite abt 1888 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Barry, Glamorgan
Gertrude Waite abt 1894 Barry, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Barry, Glamorgan
Leonard Waite abt 1899 Barry, Glamorgan, Wales Son Barry, Glamorgan

Name: Alfred Pullen
Name: Mabel Annie Waite
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1908
Registration district: Cardiff
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 394a


1911 34 Castleland St Barry Dock
Charles H Waite 48 Engine Driver
Emily Waite 45
Leonard Waite 12
Joel Waite 9
Lena Waite 5
MA?? Pullen 25
Nellie Pullen 2


Name: Charles H Waite
Birth Date: abt 1862
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1928
Age at Death: 66
Registration district: Cardiff
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 497


Name: Emily Waite
Birth Date: abt 1866
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1934
Age at Death: 68
Registration district: Cardiff
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 253

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Joel V WAITE 1901 -1976 Barry Wales

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 08:29 (1132 days ago) @ slowhands


1911 34 Castleland St Barry Dock
Charles H Waite 48 Engine Driver
Emily Waite 45
MA?? Pullen 25
Leonard Waite 12
Joel Waite 9
Lena Waite 5
Nellie Pullen 2


Name: Joel Victor Waite
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1901
Registration district: Cardiff
Inferred County: Glamorgan, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 481

Name: Joel V Waite
Spouse : Muriel E Palmer
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1926
Registration district: Cardiff
Inferred County: Glamorgan
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 562


Name: Victor C Waite
Mother's Maiden Surname: Palmer
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1934
Registration district: Cardiff
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 650


Name: Joel Victor Waite
Birth Date: 1 May 1901
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1976
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: South Glamorgan
Inferred County: South Glamorgan
Volume: 28
Page: 2487


Name: Muriel Eleanor Waite
Birth Date: 11 Dec 1904
Date of Registration: May 1991
Age at Death: 86
Registration district: South Glamorgan
Inferred County: South Glamorgan
Volume: 28
Page: 2225

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Joseph Wait b1831

by Jefff @, Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 12:58 (1131 days ago) @ slowhands

Thankyou once again Slowhands for bring order to my chaos !.

Its good to see that Joseph/Joel b1832 were one and the same man;
is Joel a common variation of Joseph, I've tried looking up these names and I can't see any link, but. ?
Also sorry for my redherring suggesting Charles Henry b1862 had remarried in 1898.

Well done Sir !

Joel WAITE 1882- 1922 Lydney -> Abercarn

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 08:38 (1132 days ago) @ unknown

1881
John Wait abt 1860 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Head Lydney, Gloucestershire
Priscilla Wait abt 1860 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Wife Lydney, Gloucestershire
Annie Wait abt 1880 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Gloucestershire

Name: Joel Wait
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1882
Registration district: Chepstow
Inferred County: Gloucestershire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 13


1891
John Waite abt 1860 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Head Whitchurch, Glamorgan
Priscilla Waite abt 1860 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Wife Whitchurch, Glamorgan
Annie Waite abt 1880 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Whitchurch, Glamorgan
Joel Waite abt 1882 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Whitchurch, Glamorgan
Walter Henry Waite abt 1890 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Whitchurch, Glamorgan


1901
John Waite abt 1860 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Head Lydney, Monmouthshire
Priscilla Waite abt 1860 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Wife Lydney, Monmouthshire
Annie Waite abt 1880 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Monmouthshire
Joel Waite abt 1882 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Monmouthshire
Walter Waite abt 1890 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Monmouthshire
Charles Waite abt 1893 Aberdare, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Monmouthshire
Edith Waite abt 1895 Aberdare, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Monmouthshire
Albert Waite J abt 1897 Abercorn, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Lydney, Monmouthshire
Irene Waite abt 1899 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Monmouthshire

Name: Joel Waite
Name: Mildred Violet W Robins
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1906
Registration district: Chepstow
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 8

1911 58 Gwyddon Rd Abercarn Mon
Joel Waite 29 Lydney Tinplate Shearer
Violet Waite 25 Lydney
Evan Rosser Gillham Lydney


Name: Joel Waite
Birth Date: abt 1882
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1922
Age at Death: 40
Registration district: Newport
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 274

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Year: 1885
Month: Jul
Day: 24
Parents_Surname: ROBINS
Child_Forenames: Mildred Violet Wingfield
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Mary Elizabeth Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Aylburton
Occupation: Grocer
Officiating_Minister: G.B.Sharpe
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC 209 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 53
Parish_Chapel: Lydney

Name: Mildred V W Waite
Spouse : Albert F Bishop
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1930
Registration district: Haverfordwest
Inferred County: Pembrokeshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 2553

Name: Mildred V W Bishop
Birth Date: abt 1885
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1942
Age at Death: 57
Registration district: Haverfordwest
Inferred County: Pembrokeshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 1187

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Joel WAITE 1882- 1922 Lydney -> Abercarn

by unknown, Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 19:01 (1131 days ago) @ slowhands

Wow What a lot of information. I already knew my family line as I have many of the death certificates & have researched the direct line back to the early 18th century. I started because of the family legend that A Wait (as it was then spelt) married a Wintour. Certainly the Waits then named a son in each generation Wintour as is the custom when a Wintour woman married. Sure enough I found the marriage of John Wait to Sarah Wintour ( d. of James Wintour) they had Thomas who had Joel/ Joseph -yes both names were used .J/J had John , my g grandfather. He married priscilla They had Walter Henry, my grandfather who married Katherine Bevan & their children were John Charles, George & Martha priscilla, my mother.
Walter had 3 other brothers Joelwho died in 1922 Wintour & Albert. His father John had risen from being a tinplate labourer to management of Richard Thomas tinplate works, ending up in Abercarn. Wintour also managed Richard Thomas works
Charles was the one "Black Hole" in my research so thank you all for helping to shed light on him
I am quite over-awed by your ability to sort things out
If anyone wants info on the Wintours I have loads& with a few gaps can trace them back to the Norman Conquest

WAITE -> WINTOUR

by Jefff @, Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 20:30 (1131 days ago) @ unknown

You're very welcome, I'm sure Slowhands et al share my gratitude for you taking the time to post & close the thread as twere, I wish more posters did the same.

I'm also delighted yet still intrigued that Joel & Joseph are interchangable names; do you know why, does this happen elsewhere ?

Re the Wintours I presume this is associated with Wyntour's Leap, wow !

I've just seen your prior thread in which you mention problems navigating the Glos Archive website.
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=27794

You're not alone in this, until only a month or so ago I couldn't drive it at all, never got past the homepage. Thankfully it seems to have been serviced and if you try it now hopefully you'll get a lot more success, certainly I've found some interesting results with it.
http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/DServe/DServe.exe?dsqApp=Archive&dsqDb=catalog&am...

If not the National Archives website will also "find" some of the same results, although as with so many such site's I suggest you don't try to input too much info into the search engine at a time or it just falls over !.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/archon/

Finally thanks for your offer to share your Wintour researches. Perhaps you could please do so via this site's Surname Register from the Home Page ?
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=page&id=5

Thanks and good luck with your continued research.

Joel / Joseph

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 21:47 (1131 days ago) @ Jefff

Joel & Joseph are interchangable names;

I think it is only a (poor) transcription that has resulted in Joseph rather than Joel; although it may be that when the record was originally recorded "Joseph" was entered. Joel & Joseph are distinct christian names.

1861
Joseh Wait abt 1831

is a reasonable transcription Josel or Joael would have been acceptable too, in fact the late Joael is probably as close phonetically as you will get (?)

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Joel / Joseph

by Jefff @, Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 21:59 (1131 days ago) @ slowhands

Fair enough, your experience of transcriptions shows again !.
My first thought was maybe the minister thought he heard Joe so wrote Joseph when it was actually Joel, but that made no sense as the same minister "got it right" at various other times.

I must admit in my few forays into Ancestry (I'm sure other sites are similar) I've been amazed at how poor such an apparently high % of transcriptions can be from perfectly legible census forms. I was confused to find many of my Longhope ancestors are apparently "from" Shropshire, I now know there's a Westbury Parish in that county too!

Cheers Slowhands ;-)

Joel / Joseph

by unknown, Friday, January 27, 2012, 21:43 (1129 days ago) @ slowhands

Thanks so much for all the unstinting work you put in, You seem to be able to help everyone who asks. you are doing us a great service & it is much appreciated

WAITE -> WINTOUR

by unknown, Friday, January 27, 2012, 21:38 (1129 days ago) @ Jefff

Thanksagain. I have so much info on the wynter/ Winter/ Wintour family of LydneyThat I don't know how to transmit it. Will think about your suggestion. I've done the stories of John Wynter. Sir Edward Wintour & the sons of Sir John, also a family tree back to the Conquest with only 2 gaps or doubts- Coward & idler that I am I sit here with the copious notes on Admiral William & sir John , promising I will make a start ( or mortgage many an hour)on them soon. So far I have at least a dozen folders about them, their sons& their adventures. They range from heroes of the Armada battle To explorers, from confidants of Royalty to two who were hanged for murder in the American colonies. Fascinating stuff!
Thanks again for all your help . You & slowhands are amazing.

Mildred Violet Wingfield ROBBINS 1885

by pclark ⌂ @, Thursday, January 26, 2012, 20:17 (1130 days ago) @ slowhands

Hi

Mildred V W Robins was my Grandmothers sister and I have a photo of them outside the Commercial Inn In Abercarn.

Pete

Mildred Violet Wingfield ROBBINS 1885

by unknown, Friday, January 27, 2012, 00:11 (1130 days ago) @ pclark

Mildred Violet Robins who married Joel Wait & laterAlbert Bishop was known in the family as Aunt Vi . She did not have children & offered to take Walter & Katherine Waite's son George when Walter was posted to India & her husband Joe was serving in the Royal Navy in the 1st World War. She had at least one step daughter from her 2nd marrige as my mother's cousin met her in Abercarn.John Waite ran the Commercial after leaving Abercarn tinplate works &, with a small group of business men built Gwyddon Road.

Mildred Violet Wingfield ROBBINS 1885

by pclark ⌂ @, Friday, January 27, 2012, 18:14 (1129 days ago) @ unknown

Hi,

Would you have a photo I may borrow please to show my Dad.My Dad her nephew never knew her as she died when he was 2 or 3 years old.
I have a lot of info on the rest of the family and pictures, but sadly not much on her.
The Wingfield part of her name is her Grandmothers Maiden name and I live in the house she was born in.
My Grandmother died in 1966,her onlr brother died in 1956, I can just remeber her other two sisters but I was only small.
Happy to exchange info with you.


Br

Pete

Mildred Violet Wingfield ROBBINS 1885

by unknown, Friday, January 27, 2012, 21:40 (1129 days ago) @ pclark

I will check to see if there is a photo. If not, My cousin who is thedaughter of George Waite who was fostered by Joe & Vi may have one.

Mildred Violet Wingfield ROBBINS 1885

by pclark ⌂ @, Friday, January 27, 2012, 22:45 (1129 days ago) @ unknown

Thank you, I will dig out my one of the Commercial Inn I think it was dated 1912. There is a note on the back Which says something like "To Ma and Pa" cannot remember the rest.

Br

Pete

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