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James MORGAN and Sarah (BETHEL?) MORGAN Ruardean (General)

by LindaHinzman @, Tuesday, April 24, 2012, 15:10 (943 days ago)

Seeking information on James MORGAN, born 1825-1830, and his wife Sarah BETHEL, born about 1830. James is the son of Thomas MORGAN (I believe his mother was Elizabeth) and Sarah is the daughter of William BETHEL (mother unknown to me). I found their marriage record on this site; they married 31 Dec 1851. I have the 1861, 1871, and 1881 census information. After that, I can't find them. I believe James is in the 1851 census (age 20) with his parents and Elizabeth Morgan (age 7 - unsure of her relationship as I can't read the writing on the census form - possibly a granddaughter of Thomas and Elizabeth). Seeking 1891 census information on James and Sarah and dates/places of death, or any other information. Thank you!

James MORGAN Ruardean & Sarah ? Llangarren assoc thread

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Tuesday, April 24, 2012, 16:28 (943 days ago) @ LindaHinzman

Seeking information on James MORGAN, born 1825-1830, and his wife Sarah BETHEL, born about 1830. James is the son of Thomas MORGAN (I believe his mother was Elizabeth) and Sarah is the daughter of William BETHEL (mother unknown to me). I found their marriage record on this site; they married 31 Dec 1851. I have the 1861, 1871, and 1881 census information. After that, I can't find them. I believe James is in the 1851 census (age 20) with his parents and Elizabeth Morgan (age 7 - unsure of her relationship as I can't read the writing on the census form - possibly a granddaughter of Thomas and Elizabeth). Seeking 1891 census information on James and Sarah and dates/places of death, or any other information. Thank you!


http://www.forest-of-dean.net/fodmembers/index.php?id=28125

1861
James Morgan abt 1825 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Head Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Sarah Morgan abt 1831 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Ruardean, Gloucestershire
William Morgan abt 1856 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean, Gloucestershire
James Morgan abt 1859 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean, Gloucestershire


1871
James Morgan 46
Sarah Morgan 41
William Morgan 14
James Morgan 12
Albert Morgan 9
Tom Morgan 7
Sarah Morgan 5
Amelia Morgan 2


1881 High Beech Lydbrook
James Morgan abt 1827 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Head Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah Morgan abt 1830 Langaren, Hereford, England Wife Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
James Morgan abt 1859 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Albert Morgan abt 1862 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Tom Morgan abt 1864 Woodside, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah Morgan abt 1867 Woodside, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Amelia Morgan abt 1869 Woodside, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Jane Morgan abt 1871 Woodside, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
George H. Morgan abt 1873 Woodside, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury on Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire

<><><><><><><> confirmation that James had died by 1882

Year 1882
Month Dec
Day 31
Grooms Surname MORGAN
Grooms Forenames James Henry
Grooms Age 24
Groom Condition Bachelor
Grooms Occupation Coal Miner
Grooms Residence High Beach
Grooms Fathers Surname Morgan (deceased)
Grooms Fathers Forenames James
Grooms Fathers Occupation Coal Miner
Brides Surname TOWNSEND
Brides Forenames Ada Elizabeth
Brides Age 21
Brides Condition Spinster
Brides Occupation [not stated]
Brides Residence High Beach
Brides Fathers Surname Townsend (deceased)
Brides Fathers Forenames George
Brides Fathers Occupation Coal Miner
Licence or Banns Banns
Date of Banns [not stated]
Signature or Mark He marks she signs
Witness 1 Mark of Alfred Townsend
Witness 2 Sarah Morgan
Other Witnesses
Officiating Minister William Barker Vicar
Event Marriage
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P109 IN 1/7
Page Number 229
Parish Chapel Drybrook

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

James MORGAN 1825 -1881 Ruardean & High Beech

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Tuesday, April 24, 2012, 17:13 (943 days ago) @ slowhands

Year: 1825
Month: Dec
Day: 25
Parents_Surname: MORGAN
Child_Forenames: James
Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Ruerdean [Ruardean]
Occupation: [not stated]
Officiating_Minister: John Evans Off[iciating] Min[iste]r
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: natural son of
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 53
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean

1851
Elizabeth Morgan abt 1791 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Head Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Richard Morgan abt 1821 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean, Gloucestershire
James Morgan abt 1826 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Morgan abt 1833 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean, Gloucestershire


Year: 1881
Month: Dec
Day: 7
Surname: MORGAN
Forenames: James
Residence: East Dean (High Beech)
Age_at_death: 56 years
Officiating_Minister: J Brasher Beesley Rector
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/13
Page_No: 40
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

Sarah BEVAN 1831 -1885 Llangarren & Ruardean

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Tuesday, April 24, 2012, 17:23 (943 days ago) @ slowhands

{ at the risk of becoming unpopular}

This looks like James' wife :--

Sarah Beaven
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 13 NOV 1831 Llangarren, Hereford, England
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Parents:
Father: William Beaven
Mother: Sarah Ellesmore
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Messages:
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church.
No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.


1841
William Beron abt 1796 Herefordshire, England Llangarren, Herefordshire
Sarah Beron abt 1797 Herefordshire, England Llangarren, Herefordshire
William Beron abt 1829 Herefordshire, England Llangarren, Herefordshire
Sarah Beron abt 1832 Herefordshire, England Llangarren, Herefordshire
Joseph Beron abt 1836 Herefordshire, England Llangarren, Herefordshire
James Elsmore abt 1806 Herefordshire, England Llangarren, Herefordshire

1851
Sarah Bevan abt 1831 Llangarron, Herefordshire, England Servant Ross, Herefordshire

Marriage
Name: James Morgan
Name: Sarah Beavan
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1852
Registration district: Ross
Inferred County: Herefordshire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 859


Year: 1885
Month: Jul
Day: 27
Surname: MORGAN
Forenames: Sarah
Residence: East Dean
Age_at_death: 56 years
Officiating_Minister: J Brasher Beesley Rector
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/13
Page_No: 53
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

Sarah BEVAN 1831 -1885 Llangarren & Ruardean

by LindaHinzman @, Thursday, April 26, 2012, 20:18 (941 days ago) @ slowhands

Thank you so much for all this information. Since I haven't used this site too much and I'm not sure what all the records indicate, I'm wondering why you think that Sarah BEVAN might be the wife of James MORGAN. I found this marriage record that I believe is theirs and the last name is BETHEL:

Record_ID: 14449
Entry_Number: 238
Year: 1851
Month: Dec
Day: 31
Grooms_Surname: MORGAN
Grooms_Forenames: James
Grooms_Age: 21
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Oldcroft
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Morgan
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: BETHEL
Brides_Forenames: Sarah
Brides_Age: 21
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Oldcroft
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Bethel
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: William
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: both mark
Witness_1: Mark of John James
Witness_2: Mark of Ann Bethel
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Henry Poole
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P145 IN 1/20
Page_Number: 119
Parish_Chapel: Parkend
Soundex_Groom: M625
Soundex_Bride: B340

I'm also wondering what the Oct-Nov-Dec 1852 registration for James Morgan and Sarah Beavan that you posted means. Does this have to do with marriage? Thanks again. Your information was most helpful!

Sarah BEVAN 1831 -1885 Llangarren & Ruardean

by m p griffiths @, Thursday, April 26, 2012, 22:21 (940 days ago) @ LindaHinzman

?

Gloucestershirebdm


http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/

birth 1854 - Richard MORGAN - Forest of Dean Coleford: Mother's maiden name BETHELL

???

FOD records - baptism at Parkend - 9 April 1854

Richard : parents: James (occupation Collier) and Sarah MORGAN, residence: Oldcroft


1861 Census, Glos West Dean
Oldcroft

MORGAN

James - 30 Coal Miner, all born Glos West Dean
Sarah - 30
Milson - 9 (mother's maiden name not given on GloucestershireBDM)
Richard - 7 (mother's maiden name given as BETHELL)

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and looking at GloucestershireBDM again

MORGAN - mother's maiden name BEVAN

Elizabeth - 1865 - Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn
Sarah - 1866 - ditto (aged 5 on the 1871 census)
Tom Rowland - 1863 - ditto (age 7 on the 1871 census)

1871 Census, Newham Bottom East Dean

MORGAN

James - 46 - born Ruardean
Sarah - 41 - born Herefordshire Llangarran
William - 14
James - 12
Albert - 9
Tom - 7
Sarah - 5

Amelia - 2

Sarah BEVAN 1831 -1885 Llangarren & Ruardean

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Thursday, April 26, 2012, 23:07 (940 days ago) @ LindaHinzman

Thank you so much for all this information. Since I haven't used this site too much and I'm not sure what all the records indicate, I'm wondering why you think that Sarah BEVAN might be the wife of James MORGAN. I found this marriage record that I believe is theirs and the last name is BETHEL:

Year: 1851
Month: Dec
Day: 31
Grooms_Surname: MORGAN
Grooms_Forenames: James
Grooms_Age: 21
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Oldcroft

Brides_Surname: BETHEL
Brides_Forenames: Sarah
Brides_Age: 21
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Oldcroft

Parish_Chapel: Parkend


I'm also wondering what the Oct-Nov-Dec 1852 registration for James Morgan and Sarah Beavan that you posted means. Does this have to do with marriage? Thanks again. Your information was most helpful!

Yes but its Parkend , and does not feel "right" for Sarah from Llangarron..{ at the risk of becoming unpopular} and flying in the face of what others have said before .....

If we take MPG's note and look at Tom Rowland born in 1863 to a Morgan father and Bevan mother in Ruardean area :-

Name: Tom Rowland Morgan
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1863
Registration district: Westbury on Severn
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 201


MORGAN Tom Rowland
MORGAN BEVAN
1863
Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham
23 331


Year: 1863
Month: Oct
Day: 11
Parents_Surname: MORGAN
Child_Forenames: Tom
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: East Dean
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: W Penfold
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 182
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean

then the BETHEL looks more and more like an incorrect deduction.
as this couple live in the Parkend area with a child Richard born 1854 :-
MORGAN Richard
MORGAN BETHELL
1854 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford
10 120

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James & Sarah MORGAN (BETHEL) +Joseph BEVAN

by m p griffiths @, Friday, April 27, 2012, 09:07 (940 days ago) @ slowhands

1871 Census, Glos West Dean
Oldcroft

MORGAN

James - 40 - born West Dean
Sarah - 40
Richard - 17 Coalminer

1881 Census, Glos West Dean
Oldcroft

James MORGAN - 50
Sarah MORGAN - 50

next door relation?

Thomas MORGAN 71 - Gate Keeper Tram Road born West Dean
Elizabeth MORGAN - 73 - born Lydney


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Church of Latter Day Saints: William BEAVEN married Sarah ELLESMORE - 23 January 1826 Llangarren


'1841 Census - Llangarren'

BEVAN
William 1796 ***
Sarah 1797
William 1829 (posible, William BEAVEN age 22 Servant (1851 census - Dixton Newton, Monmouthshire)
Sarah 1832
Joseph 1836 (Servant 1851 census Llangarren)
James ELSMORE 1806

CLDS
Children christened at Llangarren, parents William/Sarah BEAVEN

James - 29 October 1826 (?James BEVAN age 23 lodger 1851 census in Llangarren)
William - 14 June 1829
Sarah - 13 November 1831
Elizabeth - 15 December 1833
Joseph - 14 February 1936


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????? (is this Sarah's brother Joseph)


1861 Census, Newland

BEVAN

Joseph - 25 Ag. La. born Herefordshire, Rofs
Elizabeth - 25 formerly Servant (nee LANE)
Mary Ann - 1

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1871 Census, Glos West Dean Pillowell

BEVAN

Joseph 35 - (c1836) Farm Labourer, born Herefordshire, Llangarren
Elizabeth - 34 - born Newland
Mary Ann - 11
William - 9
Albert - 6
George - 2

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Looking at GloucestershireBDM - BEVAN/- mother's maiden name LANE

Mary Ann - 1859
Albert Joseph - 1864
William Henry 1862


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FOD Records

Marriage at Parkend - 16 January 1858

Joseph BEVAN - age 22 Bachelor, residence: Lane End

father: William BEVAN, labourer

married

Elizabeth LANE - age 22, Spinster, residence: Lane End

father: Henry LANE, Shoemaker

by banns

witnesses: James LANE/Maria TURNER

James MORGAN and Sarah (BETHEL?) MORGAN Ruardean

by KathyJ @, Thursday, May 17, 2012, 21:46 (919 days ago) @ LindaHinzman

Hi I have Sarah and James Morgan on my family tree, Sarah parents William Bethel and Sarah Stephens,

James MORGAN and Sarah (BETHEL?) MORGAN Ruardean

by jimashton @, Friday, May 18, 2012, 15:04 (919 days ago) @ KathyJ

We have certainly gained a lot of conflicting information. M P Griffiths found a different James Morgan & Sarah, with a son Richard in 1871,which indicates that a second James Morgan & Sarah existed, now Kathy is nominating different parents for Sarah Bethel, details of which can be found in the Parish Records :

Year: 1827
Month: Jun
Day: 7
Grooms_Surname: BETHEL
Grooms_Forenames: William
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Hundred of St Braivels
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: STEPHENS
Brides_Forenames: Sarah
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Hundred of St Briavels
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He signs she marks
Witness_1: William Stephens
Witness_2: Mark of Mary Beddes
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: H. Douglas Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/11
Page_Number: 192
Parish_Chapel: Newland

My only real interest here is that James Morgan & Sarah Bethel's son William Henry Morgan 1856 married Evangeline Amanda Roberts 1867 in 1888. Evangeline Amanda Morgan nee Roberts emigrated to USA with Lewis (Louis) Marfell 1866. Interestingly one of William Henry Morgan's 8 siblings Mary Jane Morgan 1873 married Timothy Roberts 1876 in 1895, Timothy being a sibling of Evangeline Amanda Morgan nee Roberts.

Most interesting of all is that when Evangeline Amanda Morgan nee Roberts emigrated to USA in 1913 with Lewis (Louis) Marfell, she took only Evelyn Maude Morgan born 21 Aug 1902 with her, one of the 12 children she had with William Henry Morgan many of whom were a similar age to or younger than Evelyn Maude. Was she Lewis (Louis) Marfell's daughter ? No record has been found for a second marriage for Evangeline Amanda nee Roberts.

The US Census records are also revealing regarding Evelyn Maude Morgan :
In the 1930 census Louis and Evangeline are living in LaSalle in the home of Talcott Barnes(who was born in Wisconsin). Louis is a gardener and Evangeline is a cook for the family. In 1920 they are also living in LaSalle. They state that they both arrived in America in 1913. No children are living with them in either year.

Evelyn does appear on the 1920 U.S. census for LaSalle, Ilinois, but she is listed as Evelyn Marfell 16, a servant in the household of Howard Doan, Jr. Louis and Evangeline Marfell are listed in that census as residing at Deer Park in LaSalle County.


Jim Ashton

James MORGAN and Sarah (BETHEL?) MORGAN Ruardean

by KathyJ @, Saturday, May 19, 2012, 13:37 (918 days ago) @ LindaHinzman

My tree is the Bethel/Elway?Ellway Tree, I have quite a bit on Bethel's in US

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