John James Palmer Saunders (General)

by emmabelle @, Sunday, May 06, 2012, 06:52 (1182 days ago)

HI, just wondering if anyone had any info on John James Palmer Saunders (b1857?) - Parents William Naylor Saunders (b1831)and Ann Palmer (b1837). John Passed away in Lydney 1896)

Wanting some info on his birth and espically any siblings?

I have info on his parents and going back and his children more interested in if John had and any siblings as I find it hard to believe he would be an only child.

John James Palmer Saunders

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Sunday, May 06, 2012, 08:11 (1182 days ago) @ emmabelle

HI, just wondering if anyone had any info on John James Palmer Saunders - Parents William Naylor Saunders and Ann Palmer.
Wanting some info on his birth and any siblings?


To save time please - some context, dates and places really help us help you .......

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=9711

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

John James Palmer Saunders

by m p griffiths @, Sunday, May 06, 2012, 08:30 (1182 days ago) @ slowhands

'There is an old message (2001) on Glos Monmouthshire Rootsweb'

William Naylor SAUNDERS married Ann PALMER in 1854 and John James PALMER was born in Newport in 1857

'and says ' I can find no record of this birth or any other from this marriage, and have lost this family until John James Palmer SAUNDERS in later years'

reply was : You may never know, but there are huge amounts of census missing/destroyed, so you may never find your family in 1861 Mon.

John James Palmer SAUNDERS Mariner/labourer1856- 1896 Lydney

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Sunday, May 06, 2012, 08:39 (1182 days ago) @ m p griffiths

'There is an old message on Glos Rootsweb'

William Naylor SAUNDERS married Ann PALMER in 1854 and John James PALMER was born in Newport in 1857

1841
John Saunders abt 1806 Gloucestershire, England Little Dean, Gloucestershire
Naomi Saunders abt 1811 Gloucestershire, England Little Dean, Gloucestershire
William Saunders abt 1832 Gloucestershire, England Little Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Saunders abt 1833 Gloucestershire, England Little Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Saunders abt 1835 Gloucestershire, England Little Dean, Gloucestershire
Harriett Saunders abt 1837 Gloucestershire, England Little Dean, Gloucestershire
John Saunders abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Little Dean, Gloucestershire

1851
John Palmer abt 1805 Newnham, Gloucestershire, England Head Newnham, Gloucestershire
Sarah Palmer abt 1809 Newnham, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newnham, Gloucestershire
Ann Palmer abt 1832 Newnham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newnham, Gloucestershire
Eliza Palmer abt 1834 Newnham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newnham, Gloucestershire
Harriet Palmer abt 1843 Newnham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newnham, Gloucestershire


1851
William Saunders abt 1832 Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England Lodger Worcester St Martin, Worcestershire Carpenter

marriage
Name: William Naylor Saunders
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1854
Registration district: Westbury on Severn
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 403

Year: 1854
Month: Jun
Day: 5
Grooms_Surname: SAUNDERS
Grooms_Forenames: William Naylor
Grooms_Age: full
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: carpenter
Grooms_Residence: Newnham
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Saunders
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: John
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: carpenter
Brides_Surname: PALMER
Brides_Forenames: Ann
Brides_Age: full
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Newnham
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Palmer
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: John
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: taylor
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: both sign
Witness_1: John Palmer
Witness_2: Eliuza Palmer
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: E.C. Brice perp.curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes: full centred in box Newnham centred in box
Register_Reference: P228 IN 1/13
Page_Number: 82
Parish_Chapel: Newnham


1871
William Sanders abt 1832 Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England Lodger New Windsor, Berkshire

Year: 1880
Month: Dec
Day: 25
Grooms_Surname: SAUNDERS
Grooms_Forenames: John James Palmer
Grooms_Age: 23
Groom_Condition: bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: mariner
Grooms_Residence: Newnham
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Saunders
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William Naylor
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: carpenter
Brides_Surname: BEARD
Brides_Forenames: Sarah
Brides_Age: 21
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Lydney
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Beard
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Samuel
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: tinworker
Licence_or_Banns: banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: both sign
Witness_1: John Palmer
Witness_2: Eliza Lane
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: TJ Weight curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P228 IN 1/13
Page_Number: 235
Parish_Chapel: Newnham

1881
William I. Sanders abt 1834 Littledean, Gloucestershire, England Head Bermondsey, London
Alice I. Sanders abt 1841 Gloucestershire, England Wife Bermondsey, London
George W.C. Sanders abt 1869 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Son Bermondsey, London
Charles S. Sanders abt 1871 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Son Bermondsey, London
Frances E. Sanders abt 1875 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Daughter Bermondsey, London
Lucy R. Sanders abt 1879 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Daughter Bermondsey, London
Arthur J. Coleman abt 1857 Gloucestershire, England Nephew Bermondsey, London

1881
Sarah Saunders abt 1861 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Wife (Head) (Head) Lydney, Gloucestershire
John at sea - Ocean Child
John Saunders abt 1855 Newnham, Gloucestershire, England Vessels, Somerset

1891
John Saunders abt 1857 Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Head Lydney, Gloucestershire Railway Labourer
Sarah Saunders abt 1862 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Wife Lydney, Gloucestershire
William Saunders abt 1882 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Gloucestershire
Albert H Saunders abt 1884 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Gloucestershire
John Saunders abt 1885 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Gloucestershire
Charles Saunders abt 1889 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Lydney, Gloucestershire

Year: 1896
Month: May
Day: 19
Surname: SAUNDERS
Forenames: John James Palmer
Residence: Lydney
Age_at_death: 39 y[ea]rs
Officiating_Minister: J.C.E.Besant
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes: [Besant underlined]
Register_Reference: Lydney P209 IN 1/14
Page_No: 37
Parish_Chapel: Lydney

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

John James Palmer SAUNDERS 1855 West Bromwich

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Sunday, May 06, 2012, 09:05 (1182 days ago) @ slowhands

Name: John James Palmer Saunders
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1855
Registration district: West Bromwich
Inferred County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire
Volume: 6b
Page: 547


I wonder if this points to Newport in the Telford Shropshire area ? rather than Newport Wales...

and a later death to consider /research
Name: Ann Saunders
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1856
Registration district: West Bromwich
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 388

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

William N SAUNDERS - 1881 + (possible 3rd? marriage)

by m p griffiths @, Sunday, May 06, 2012, 09:10 (1182 days ago) @ slowhands

Looking at the Church of Latter Day Saints - William Naylor SAUNDERS was born 27 July 1832 Little Dean, parents John and Naomi

also on CLDS


??????

Marriage at St John, Walworth, Surrey - 2 December 1888

William Naylor SAUNDERS - age 56 - birth date 1832 - father John SAUNDERS

widowed

married

Annie SULLIVAN - age 50 - birth date 1838 - father William FITZGERALD


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Death: Aston, Warwickshire, J/A/S 1889 - William Naylor SAUNDERS birth c1832

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1881 Census, London Bermondsey
Leather Market


SAUNDERS

No. 32 West Street

SAUNDERS

William N (transcribed as I) - age 47, Carpenter, born Gloucester Little Dean
Alice J or I - age 40 - born Gloucestershire, Gloucester
George W.C. - age 12 - Scholar, born Surrey, Bermondsey
Charles N - 10
Frances E - 6
Lucy R - 2
Arthur J COLEMAN, Nephew, unmarried age 24 House Decorator, born Gloucestershire, Gloucester

(wonder whether William was a Carpenter on the railways - my Great Grandad was - assume coachwork etc. - and turned up in various Counties)

(more work here, but housework beckons...)

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On the 1871 census in Berkshire, William SANDERS (Lodger) is married, but alone.

William N SAUNDERS - Marriages/Ann Tippett BEARD+ BEVAN

by m p griffiths @, Sunday, May 06, 2012, 10:09 (1182 days ago) @ m p griffiths

There are two marriages of William Naylor SAUNDERS on Ancestry (actual copy entries)

Bermondsey St Mary Magdalene, Southwork - 6 August 1865

William Naylor SAUNDERS (Widower) - age 34 Carpenter - father John SAUNDERS

married

Ann TIPPETT BEARD - age 27 - Spinster, father: Thomas BEARD (Plaister) ***


witnesses: George EVANS and Maria SAUNDERS

(although on 1881 census, his wife? is called Alice I/J ?)

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Gave the 3rd marriage info on CLDS previous reply - actual marriage on Ancestry - wintesses were George & Fanny BAILEY


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1871 Census, Bermondsey, St Paul

SAUNDERS

Ann - 31 - Head, Carpenter's wife - born Gloucester
Sarah - 14 - born Gloucester
Jane - 11 - born Gloucester * Gloucesterbdm - Glos St John the Baptist - Emily Jane Newman BEARD - 1860 - * see1861 Census
William - 2 - born London
Charles - 7 months born London.


----- so William BEARD and Ann Tippett BEVAN - married - after they arrived in London


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1861 Census, Gloucester St Michael

BEARD

Thomas T - 50 Plasterer - born Gloucestr
Jane - 51 - born Brighton
John W - 20
Thomas T - 18
William - 16
Charles H - 14
George R - 9
Thirza J - 6
William COLEMAN (Grandson) - 3
Emily J BEARD - grand-daughter 11 - months
Ann WHITE - 12 - Nurse.


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1861 Census, Cirencester

Ann BEARD single age 22 - Servant, born City of Gloucester

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On the 1881 Census in Bermondsey with William I & Alice SAUNDERS - is Arthur J COLEMAN, age 24 nephew, born Gloucestershire
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Gloucestershire bdm


http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/


birth: 1839 - Gloucester St John the Baptist

Ann Tippett BEARD - mother's maiden name BEVAN


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1851 Census, Gloucester St Michael
72 Burton Street


BEARD

Thomas - 40 - Plasterer- born Gloucester **
Jane 41 - born Brighton
Ann - 12
John - 10
Thomas - 8
William - 6
Charles - 4
George - 9 months


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1841 Census, Gloucester St Michael
Burton Street

BEARD

Thomas - 30 - Plasterer, born in County
Jane - 32 - not born in County
Sarah - 6 all born in County
Emily - 4
Ann - 2
John - 3 months


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checking Glos. cd's - can't see the marriage of Thomas BEARD to Jane BEVAN - just one baptism for Emily BEARD at Glos St. Michael - 19 October 1836 -father Thomas (plasterer) and Jane

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As John John Palmer SAUNDERS married a BEARD - is there a family connection???)

Saunders

by emmabelle @, Wednesday, November 14, 2012, 11:43 (990 days ago) @ m p griffiths

Hello! I am looking into the name Saunders and would be interested to see who else is looking into this name and what information they have.

I would say that a key name I have is William Naylor Saunders born Jul 1831 in Littledean - died Jul 1899.

He appears to have been married 3 times so maybe various children and descendants.

His parents were John Saunders born 1803 and Naomi Naylor born 1813.

Thanks

S's/B'd/KELSEY/FISHER/CAPENER

by m p griffiths @, Sunday, May 06, 2012, 12:41 (1182 days ago) @ emmabelle

On the marriage transcription in 1880: Sarah's (born Lydney) father was Samuel

---- FOD records

Marriage at Lydney: 30 April 1826

William BEARD - Bachelor of this Parish
married Hannah EDWARDS

witnesses: John ARMAN? - mark of Mary Anne EDWARDS


----FOD records

Marriage at Lydney - 27 March 1853

Samuel BEARD, of full age, Bachelor, Doubler, residence Lydney - father: William BEARD - occupation GENT
married
Caroline FISHER, of full age, Spinster, residence Lydney, father : William FISHER, Refiner

mark of Shadrack FISHER and Emma WAITE

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1841 Census, Glos Lydney

BEARD (GloucestershireBDM - mother's maiden name EDWARD)

William - 40 Tin Mile? Man
Hanah - 30
Hannah - 3 (Hannah Elizabeth 1837 - FOD, Chepstow, Lydney) - mother's maiden name EDWARDS
Lydia - 13
Emma - 1
John - 7
Thomas - 5
Samuel - 11

1851 Census, Lydney

BEARD

William - 50 - Proprietor of Houses, born Framilode
Hannah - 44 - all born Lydney
Samuel - 22 Tin Roller
Thomas - 16 - Labourer at home
Elizabeth - 14 - Scholar at home
Emma - 12 - Scholar at home
Elizabeth JOHNSON - visitor - 3 - born Lydney

(CLDS have a baptism of a William BEARD - 31 August 1800 at Saul (very close to Framilode - parents William & Elizabeth)

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1861 Census, Lydney
No. 9 Albert Street

BEARD

William - 59 - Catcher Iron Bar, bron Glos. Framelode
Hannh - 54 - all born Lydney
Emma - 20
Matilda - 17
Eliz S J JOHNSON, 14 - grand-daughter - servant

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1861 Census, West Dean
Maple Hill

BEARD

Samuell - 32 - Sheet Iron Roller, born Lydney
Caroline - 28 - born Monmouth
George - 7
Charles - 4
Moses - 3
Caroline Matilda - 1


.... GloucestershireBDM - BEARD - mother's maiden name FISHER for the above children

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1871 Census Lydney

BEARD

Samuel - 42 - Sheet Iron Miner, all born Glos. Lydney
Caroline - 40 - born Monmouthshire - transcribed as Ellamindanne
George - 17
Charles - 15
Moses - 13
Caroline M - 11
Sarah - 9
Hannah - 6
Samuel - 4
Emma - 1

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1881 Census, Lydney
Albert Street

BEARD

Samuel - 52 -Tin Roller
Caroline - 50
Tom - 17 - Drawing in House
Samuel - 14 - Behind Rolls (T.P.W.)
Emma - 11
Albert - 9
Elizabeth - 7 (see 1911 census)

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1891 Census, Lydney
Albert Street

BEARD (transcribed as BOARD)

Albert 61 - Assistant ??????
Caroline - 64
Albert - 19 - Washman in tin works
Elizabeth - 17

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1901 Census, Wales, Lydney
16 Albert Street

BEARD

Samuel - 72 - retired stock taker iron.?? works
Caroline - 70
Elizabeth - 27 - Dressmaker at home

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1911 Wales - Monmouthshire, Lydney - living in 6 rooms

KELSEY

Frank Edward - 35 - Doubler in Tin plate - born Yorkley, Newland
Elizabeth - 37 c1874 all born Lydney

married 8 years, 4 children born alive, 4 living


Caroline - 7
Kathleen Marion - 6
Evelyn May - 4
Christina Dara 10 months
Samuel BEARD - father - age 82, retired tinplate worker, born Lydney

children's baptisms on FOD records (Methodists) - Lydney

1902 - Caroline Amy
1904 - Kathleen Marion
1907 - Eveleyne May
1910 - Christine Dora (17 Tunalls, Lydney)
1913 - Alice Elizabeth (ditto)


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There is a photo in the Gallery of Raymond CAPENER, marrying Christina Dora KELSEY in 1934 -


http://www.forest-of-dean.net/gallery/cinderford_2/pages/page_46.html

also previous threads on Raymond CAPENER....

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