Horatio Nelson HADDOCK born Newware (General)

by suebell51, Saturday, May 26, 2007, 22:33 (3803 days ago)

On various Census Returns Horatio Nelson Haddock consistently gives his place of birth as Newware, Glos, but I am unable to find the location of this place. Can anyone offer assistance.
Regards Sue Bell

New Weir

by slowhands, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Saturday, May 26, 2007, 23:07 (3803 days ago) @ suebell51

I'm sure this is New Wear or New Weir near Symonds Yat rock / Coldwell Rocks on the Wye...

For an old map and new map

http://www.old-maps.co.uk/
co-ordinates 356259,215839

( on a 25000 OS map use 56259,15839 )

That would be about 1 1/2 miles south of the centre of Whitchurch Herefordshire village.

Goodrich , Whitchurch and Englich Bicknor are often used to "cover" this area.

It was the site of an old iron (?) Forge

New Weir

by sylviamorgan @, Sunday, May 27, 2007, 01:36 (3803 days ago) @ slowhands

Hi
I dont if this is relevant but I have an(unwanted) marriage certificate for a henry JONES and a Mary Ann HADDOCKaged 25 resident at Whitebrook father (looks like)Noah labourer dated March 12th 1854
Sylvia

New Weir

by suebell51, Wednesday, May 30, 2007, 03:58 (3800 days ago) @ sylviamorgan

Hi Sylvia

I would be interested in seeing this Marriage Certificate. Not sure whether she is one of my Haddocks but would like to put her in my spares "keep net" while I carry on fishing for more Haddocks(-:
Regards Sue Bell

New Weir

by slowhands, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Wednesday, May 30, 2007, 06:39 (3800 days ago) @ sylviamorgan

might be John rather than Noah


1841
John Haddock abt 1811 Llanwenarth Monmouthshire
Mary Haddock abt 1811 Llanwenarth Monmouthshire
Emma Haddock abt 1838 Llanwenarth Monmouthshire
Mary Haddock abt 1832 Llanwenarth Monmouthshire
Sarah Haddock abt 1840 Monmouthshire, Wales Llanwenarth Monmouthshire


1851
John Haddock abt 1811 Alwnare, Herefordshire, England Head Machen Monmouthshire
Mary Haddock abt 1807 Cemenell, Gloucestershire, England Wife Machen Monmouthshire
Margret Haddock abt 1851 Machen, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Machen Monmouthshire
Mary Ann Haddock abt 1832 Chelthnuin, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Machen Monmouthshire
Sarah Haddock abt 1841 Guenddegsio, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Machen Monmouthshire

New Weir

by suebell51, Monday, May 28, 2007, 13:30 (3802 days ago) @ slowhands

Thank you slowhands, much appreciated.
Regards, Sue Bell

Horatio Nelson HADDOCK 1811 - 1890 Newweir

by slowhands, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Sunday, May 27, 2007, 01:35 (3803 days ago) @ suebell51

parents ?

Year: 1783
Month: Jun
Day: 6
Grooms_Surname: HADDOCK
Grooms_Forenames: Rawlins
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Whitchurch Glos
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: WILLIAMS
Brides_Forenames: Elizabeth
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Chapel Hill
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark:
Witness_1:
Witness_2:
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Chapel Hill Monmouth


a sister ?

Year 1796
Month Sep
Day 20
Parents Surname HADOCK
Child Forenames Sarah
Fathers Forenames Rawlins
Mothers Forenames Elizabeth
Mothers Surname
Residence
Occupation
Officiating Minister
Event Baptism
Memoranda twin [Thomas]
Notes
Register Reference P138 in 1/3
Page Number 43
Parish Chapel English Bicknor

1841 Lydbrook
Nelson Hadock abt 1816 Dean Forest Gloucestershire Forgeman

Year 1843
Month Jul
Day 15

Groom Surname HADDOCK
Groom Forename(s) Nelson
Groom Age at Marriage of f
Groom condition Bachelor
Groom Rank or Profession Labourer
Groom Residence Lydbrook
Groom Father's Surname HADDOCK
Groom Father's Forename(s) Rawlings
Groom Father's Rank or Profession Labourer

Bride Surname JAMES
Bride Forename(s) Jane
Bride Age at Marriage of f
Bride Condition Widow
Bride Rank or Profession [not stated]
Bride Residence E[nglish] Bicknor
Bride Father's Surname DAVIES
Bride Father's Forename(s) Christopher
Bride Father's Rank or Profession Wood Collier

Licence or Banns Banns
Date of banns 1843 Jun 25 Jul
Signature or Mark Both mark
Witness 1 Mark of Thomas Lewis
Witness 2 Mark of Mary Lewis
Other witnesses John Jones
Officiating Minister Edward Feild [sic] Rector
Event type Marriage
Memoranda
Transcriber's Notes Banns are in P138 IN 1/10 page 53. This record also appears in P138 IN 1/8 page 76.
Register Reference P138 IN 1/12
Page No 14
Parish/Chapel English Bicknor


1851 Lydbrook
Nelson Haddock abt 1810 Whitchurch, Herefordshire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire Tin Forgeman
Jane Haddock abt 1805 Stantor, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Betsy Haddock abt 1848 Sudbrook, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
John Haddock abt 1837 English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Willim Haddock abt 1786 [1845] Sudbrook, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire

<Sudbrook = LYDBROOK, Stanton = STAUNTON>


1861
Nelson Haddock abt 1812 New Ware, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Jane Haddock abt 1806 Stanton, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Haddock abt 1848 Lydnock, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Rollins Haddock abt 1845 Lydnock, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire

1871
Nelson Hadcock abt 1811 New Ware, Monmouthshire, Wales Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Jane Hadcock abt 1805 The Statia, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1880
Month: Mar
Day: 10
Surname: HADDOCK
Forenames: Jane
Place of Residence: The Asylum Glo[uce]ster
Age at death: 74
Officiating Minister: John J.Trollope
Event: Burial
Cause of death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register Reference: P209 IN 1/12
Page No: 192
Parish_Chapel: Lydney

1881
Horatio Nelson Haddock abt 1812 New Hare, Hereford, England Father Lydney, Gloucestershire
Rollings Haddock abt 1845 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Head Lydney, Gloucestershire
Selina Haddock Rollings abt 1847 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Wife Lydney, Gloucestershire
Lilly Lana Haddock abt 1873 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Gloucestershire
Rose Ann Haddock abt 1875 Lydbrook, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Gloucestershire
Selina Eliz. Adelt. abt 1877 Clifton, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Lydney, Gloucestershire


Year: 1890
Month: Jun
Day: 28
Surname: HADDOCK
Forenames: Horatio Nelson
Place of Residence: Lydbrook
Age at death: 78
Officiating Minister: H.S.Prinsep
Event: Burial
Cause of death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register Reference: P209 IN 1/13
Page No: 60
Parish_Chapel: Lydney

Rawlings HADDOCK 1801 ish English Bicknor / Lydbrook

by slowhands, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Sunday, May 27, 2007, 01:42 (3803 days ago) @ slowhands

RAWLINS HADDOCK
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Marriages:
Spouse: CHARLOTTA HOWELLS
Marriage: 27 JUN 1824 Newland, Gloucester, England
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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M036201 1754 - 1851 0856960 Film 6911883 Film
Sheet: 00

1841
Rawline Haddock abt 1806 Trevethan Monmouthshire
Charlotte Haddock abt 1806 Trevethan Monmouthshire
George Haddock abt 1827 Monmouthshire, Wales Trevethan Monmouthshire
Charlotte Haddock abt 1839 Monmouthshire, Wales Trevethan Monmouthshire
Elen Haddock abt 1836 Monmouthshire, Wales Trevethan Monmouthshire
Elizth Haddock abt 1829 Monmouthshire, Wales Trevethan Monmouthshire
Jane Haddock abt 1830 Monmouthshire, Wales Trevethan Monmouthshire
John Haddock abt 1833 Monmouthshire, Wales Trevethan Monmouthshire


1851
Rawlings Haddock abt 1801 Lidbrock, Monmouthshire, Wales Head Trevethin Monmouthshire
Ann Haddock abt 1815 Pembrokeshire, Wales Wife Trevethin Monmouthshire
Charlotte Haddock abt 1839 Trevethin, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Trevethin Monmouthshire
Ellen Haddock abt 1835 Trevethin, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Trevethin Monmouthshire
John Haddock abt 1832 Monmouthshire, Wales Son Trevethin Monmouthshire

Rawlings HADDOCK 1754- 1828 English Bicknor / Lydbrook

by slowhands, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Sunday, May 27, 2007, 01:53 (3803 days ago) @ slowhands

Year 1828
Month Jul
Day 1
Surname HADDOCK
Forename(s) Rawlins
Place of Residence Lidbrook
Age at death 74
Officiating Minister T Marwood Rector
Event Burial
Cause of death
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference from 1813
Page No 40
Parish/Chapel English Bicknor
Soundex H320

Horatio Nelson HADDOCK 1811 ish

by suebell51, Monday, May 28, 2007, 13:36 (3802 days ago) @ slowhands

Thank you again slowhands, but I don't quite understand the entry for 1851 which shows "Willim Haddock abt 1786 (1845) Sudbrook, Gloucester, England, Son, West Dean? Does this entry refer to Nelson's son Rollins born 1845 (as per 1861 census) or another Haddock born abt 1786.
Regards, Sue Bell

Horatio Nelson HADDOCK 1811 ish

by slowhands, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Monday, May 28, 2007, 21:03 (3801 days ago) @ suebell51

[1845] is what the transcription should say IMHO :-)

and Willim is probably Rollin too

Horatio Nelson HADDOCK 1811 ish

by shepway @, Tuesday, May 29, 2007, 04:06 (3801 days ago) @ slowhands

I agree. This is the GFHS transcription:
Piece Folio SchNo Town Surname Forename Relatn Marr Age Occupation County Place
2444 0343 010 Lydbrook HADDOCK Nelson HD M 41 Tin Forge Man HEF Whitchurch
2444 0343 010 Lydbrook HADDOCK Jane WI M 46 - GLS Stanton [Staunton?]
2444 0343 010 Lydbrook HADDOCK John SO U 14 Labr Iron Works GLS E.Bicknor [English Bicknor]
2444 0343 010 Lydbrook HADDOCK Rollin SO - 6 - GLS Lydbrook
2444 0343 010 Lydbrook HADDOCK Betsy DA - 3 - GLS Lydbrook

Mike

Horatio Nelson HADDOCK born Newware

by ivanelsmore, Thursday, February 28, 2008, 10:27 (3526 days ago) @ suebell51

Hi Sue,I am a distant relative of Haddocks family and i too wondered who Horatio Nelson Haddock was and where from.He was born at new-weir,and died in lydney.there is also a record of a marriage nelson haddock to Jane James[nee Davies]1843,is this the same person,as i believe we are related.Ivan

Horatio Nelson HADDOCK 1811 - 1890

by slowhands, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Thursday, February 28, 2008, 20:12 (3525 days ago) @ ivanelsmore

looks like the same man - please see prior response :-)

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Horatio Nelson HADDOCK 1811 - 1890

by LISA EVANS, Monday, May 26, 2008, 06:03 (3438 days ago) @ slowhands

Can anyone help me please as I am starting to get confused?

I am a descendent of a Marshall Haddock born 1746 in Aberafon Glamorgan. He married a Sarah Richards at Chapel Hill, Monmouthshire. I have a few questions that I need the answers of to verify my research.
Question 1
Does anyone know if Nelson Haddock born 1822 and Horatio Nelson Haddock are the same person?
Question 2
Does anyone know if the father of Nelson Haddock is Rawlins Haddock born in Aberafon Glamorgan 1795, Wales. Rawlins Haddock is the son of Marshall and Sarah Haddock
Question 3
If this is the case why do the Haddocks from Glamorgan keep coming back and forth to the Forest of Dean area.

Can anyone help me with information and verification on the above questions.
Regards
Lisa Evans

Aberafon <-> Wye valley link ?

by slowhands, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Monday, May 26, 2008, 22:44 (3437 days ago) @ LISA EVANS

Whitchuch / New Weir / Chapel Hill all link to Forges on the Wye

Year: 1783
Month: Jun
Day: 6
Grooms_Surname: HADDOCK
Grooms_Forenames: Rawlins
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Whitchurch Glos
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: WILLIAMS
Brides_Forenames: Elizabeth
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Chapel Hill
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark:
Witness_1:
Witness_2:
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Chapel Hill Monmouth

The answer has to be Industrial !
either Tin or Iron ( or both) ; I suspect Copper and Tin plate

The power of the Wye was being used in the Forges at New Weir and Red Brook etc, and it appears the Haddocks were Forgemen. perhaps skilled and in demand....

back in Aberafon / Neath Tin plate and iron was a major industry too.


Mr Costaria John Coster, a Cornish mineworker who hailed from the Forest of Dean. He became manager and later owner of Copper Works at Upper Redbrook. He died in 1718 and was succeeded by his son , Thomas, who took up a lease of copper works in Neath, and was working there in 1733.

In 1680 a second smelter was erected at Upper Redbrook in the Forest of Dean by John Coster. His partner was William Dockwra, who probably obtained his copper from these works for use in his brass foundry at Esher in Surrey. In 1691 a further smelter in the Forest was erected at Lower Redbrook, the premises of the English Copper Company. Amongst the technical staff was Gabriel Wayne.

Following the deaths of John Coster, jnr in 1734, his brothers Robert in 1735
and Thomas in 1739, control of their business was transferred to Thomas' daughter, Jane, who after a number of years sold her interest to a partner, Joseph Percival. He changed the name of the company to Joseph Percival & Copper Company, transferring the smelting branch of the business to South Wales. Frances Coster succeeded to the management of the Upper Redbrook works on the death of his father, John. Frances remained in control at Upper Redbrook, until the business was transferred to Neath.The Lower Redbrook works continued in operation until 1790, in which year the English Copper Company, having previously moved their smelting facilities to South Wales, sold it to David and William Tanner of Monmouth.


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Aberafon <-> Wye valley link ?

by LISA EVANS, Wednesday, May 28, 2008, 11:20 (3436 days ago) @ slowhands

Slowhands this is great information. It does make more sence to me now.

Thanks very much for taking the time to respond to my posting

regards

Lisa

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